Curse

Slade xTekno · Aug 27, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

I made a R/W for PvPX today, and holy crap, it worked well. Even w/o an Elite, it could take down a soft target faster than most warriors I have come up against [I PvP a monk often]. It goes the following

Expertise 10 + 3 + 1 Hat
Axe Mastery 12
Tactics 8
Beast Mastery 2 + 1

Tiger's Fury
Swift Chop
Cyclone Axe
EDIT: Penetrating Blow [formerly Power Attack]
Wild Blow
Throw Dirt
Utility Slot [I use Antidote Signet]
Rez Sig

I was using a Sundering Axe of Defense. As backup, I used a Zealous Axe of Defense.

It's not a very difficult build to use; simply spam Swift Chop, Cyclone Axe, and Power Attack at 2e each. It's not much bonus damage, but they all have very short and identical cooldowns. Plus, since an axe's swing speed is 1.33 seconds, you can spam them continually.
TF is used after you Throw Dirt. It will create a gap in the chain of attack skills, but the damage output and potential crits are worth it.
Why Wild Blow? In the Arenas, especially the Random ones, is a growing trend of Mo/W using Bonetti's.

Any feedback would be appreciated. I'm pretty sure most of you could probably build this and try it for yourself.

Shusky · Aug 27, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Ah, always good to see an R/W around. My primary PvE/PvP character is a R/W... yep, I finished the game without having cast a single spell

In the arenas, you will generally find yourself creaming every spellcaster on your way. Throw dirt can really do funny things with warriors. I've never actually gone melee, so I can't help you much with the attacks, but axe-wielding R/Ws are generally great at spamming chop-chops.

I would ditch antidote signet for a self-heal, however (preferably the immortal TU), or one of Ranger's defensive stances. I never found antidote much useful, since you generally get ignored as a ranger

You may also try to combine Cyclone Axe with Apply Poison. Cools down enemy melee players' enthusiasm wonderfully.

Eonwe · Aug 27, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

I think I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.

Nash · Aug 27, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22

R/W.
With Power Attack.
And no Elite.
Best build ever.

Cerra.nova · Aug 27, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Personally the only R/W I would use is one with a Hammer - Err well it isnt that great but meh... If you're gonna use axes why not be a Warrior primary?

Lt.Crumpet · Aug 27, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

i guess ill try this build out. it seems that r/w r hit or miss. bably miss. this looks like one that could go far tho

Eet GnomeSmasher · Aug 27, 2005, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

I think I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.

Please do.

Slade xTekno · Aug 27, 2005, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Shusky: I don't have any more room in the build to incorporate another Attribute, or TU would be at the top of the list. Since it has no Elite, Cyclone Axe + Apply Poison + ViM might work.

Eonwe: Um, thanks for the spam?

Nash: Have you every played an R/W? Try this build out and see how fast a caster falls. It'll be easy because there isn't an Elite, but you could replace Antidote Signet w/ Gladiator's Defense if you'd like.
Why not Power Attack? I can use Power attack twice at +10 in the time it takes to use Pure Strike once at +24. If you've ever played a R/W, you'd know you make up most of the energy you used in the span of the attack, so that's no problem.
I can see that you've been here a while, but I hope your posts thus far were of better quality than that one. :O

Please post constructive criticism, although I will attempt to reason with anything else.

pagansaint · Aug 27, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

You have ZERO strength. So how is Power Attack doing any good? Do you mean Penetrating Blow?

Also dropping 1 out of expertise and filling more points into Beast Mastery would be HIGHLY more effective considering Expertise works best at even numbers due to the way the game rounds.

That and I agree with the others that a R/W Axe is kind of a waste. Mostly Adrenaline skills negates the point of a Ranger primary, Expertise.

Most R/W tend to go with sword (or Hammer for IB) to get the full effect from Expertise and Energy use attacks.

EDIT: the idea of power attack being used twice isn't bad, but with that many points into axe using Penetrating Blow would be a MUCH better use of a slot considering you are using 2/3 Energy based attacks AND Tiger's Fury, gaining you the adrenaline to spam this a good bit.

ICURADik · Aug 27, 2005, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Penetrating is good for a R/W using axe's. It's weaker with a Warrior primary because the penetration doesn't stack with strength.

Maybe consider Eviscerate as some kind of elite... Take casters from 35% to 0 instantly.

Slade xTekno · Aug 27, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02

pagansaint: I actually meant Power Attack to stick w/ the Energy theme. I could argue that using Power Attack twice gives you an extra chance of setting off a 20/+1 Axe, but that's absurd; to be honest, I couldn't think of anything else to use. Penetrating blow is a decent idea, though. That, or Cleave lol.
I found that spamming the three skills at 2e each results in a net loss of two energy every four seconds [6e over 4 sec, 1/2e lost per sec], not including TF. Replacing Power Attack with an adrenal skill will result in no loss of energy, allowing you to keep your Zealous axe sheathed for longer.

Could you post a R/W hammer build? I honestly can't imagine it.

EDIT: Wow, Penetrating Blow works much better than I expected. Cyclone Axe normally catches more than one target, so I find that I can use PB more often then I could use Power Attack.

pagansaint · Aug 27, 2005, 11:12 PM // 23:12

My R/W Hammer:

12 Hammer
11+1+2 Expertise
6+2 Wilderness

Serpent's Quickness
Irresistable Blow
Devestating Hammer{E}
Mighty Blow
Heavy Blow
Crushing Blow
Wild Blow/Storm Chaser/Troll's/Antidote
Troll's/Antidote/Res Signet

Using a +15% if in a Stance Zealous PvP Hammer of Fortitude.

Neo-LD · Aug 28, 2005, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

I think I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.

My sentiments exactly.

Legendary Battousai · Aug 28, 2005, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

I think I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.

i second the motion.... why is everyone quoting you?

Eonwe · Aug 28, 2005, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Probably because I'm awesome.

Nash · Aug 28, 2005, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

I can see that you've been here a while, but I hope your posts thus far were of better quality than that one. :O

The reason I and many others post posts like that, is that we've seen stuff like this so many times over, refuted it, have had people ignore our input and stick to their stupid builds, etc. Frankly, we're getting tired of posting the same things over and over, just to have people decide they know better anyway (which they don't).

OK, you want constructive?

Warrior primary is better.
16 in your weapon attribute, and some Strength owns using Expertise. Not enough energy? Adrenaline. It's there for a reason, so is Zealous haft.

This build is better:

16 Axe
9 Strength
10 Smiting

Frenzy
Penetrating Blow
Eviscerate
Executioner's Strike
Disrupting Chop
Sprint
Strength of Honor
Res Signet

BBoy_Manchild · Aug 28, 2005, 02:57 AM // 02:57

i use a ranger/warrior for pvp this is my build

eviscerate
axe rake
whirling defense
lightening reflexes
throw dirt
apply poison
troll unguent
res sig

10 axe
9 tact
10 expertise +3 superior +1 mask
7 wilderness survival +1 minor

10/10 sundering pvp axe of +5 defense
poisoners pvp axe of +5 defense

Nash · Aug 28, 2005, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Again an example of how people don't know how to make a good build.
If your logic fails, there's atleast a bunch of threads containing help. Instead, people make some random build and go post it and claim it's good because they can win in arena.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Aug 28, 2005, 03:41 AM // 03:41

Hoorah, lots of angry ticked off gaming nerds getting upset over "less than uber" builds.

Thanato · Aug 28, 2005, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

Could you post a R/W hammer build? I honestly can't imagine it.

cant remember my attributes but here's the skills
-Crushing blow
-Tiger's Fury
-Heavy Blow
-Devastating Hammer
-Iressistable Blow
-Res Sig
-Troll Unguent
-Antidote Sig

charge up that adrenal, and let loose tiger's fury -> dev. hammer -> crushing blow -> heavy blow -> irresistable blow.

and if they arent dead by then, just keep wailin away. antidote sig to get rid of those evil disease/poison and blindness -.-
iress. for those annoying stances

works pretty well, just chased a hammer warrior away with this not an hour ago lol